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    General Thread 0 Featured November 29 , 2003

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    Author: * Josephia Flavius - 2 Posts on this thread out of 697 Posts sitewide.
    Date: Nov 23, 2003 - 04:24

    Well Aulus, if you state things like

    >>> Ovid's primary mistake was that he let Horace be more of a suck-up to the Augustan PC scheme

    You're sure to bring Gnaeus Cassius out of the woodwork 'cause that's his cue to appear from the stage wings to defend his man Horace. Or as Maecenas would say:

    Horati Flacci Ut Mei Esto Memor

    In those days Varius was into epic poetry, Pollio tragedy and history, Fundanius was into comedy, Virgil pastoral poetry and Horace satire and lyric poetry. He glorified Augustus as the incarnation of imperial policy and was busy fostering the beliefs that were needed in the creation of this new society, according to George Whicher.
    He also knew which side his bread was buttered on, eh...

    As for poor Ovid, he did something that really burned Augie's ass and there's a fine thesis proposal waiting for anyone who can figure out if it had to do with Julia or one of Augie's favorites.

    Throughout the Middle Ages, Horace's works were not as well known, because unlike Virgil's Aeneid, the poems did not lend themselves through allegory to Christian interpretation.
    Ovid, instead was the fav poet of medieval readers, interestingly.

    And so a little Horace:
    Odes II.1

    Pollio! your page records the fate
    Of Rome, her crimes, her wars, her feuds,
    Their causes and vicissitudes,
    Since brave Metellus ruled its state,
    The sport of Fortune, the array
    Of leaders banded to betray
    And Roman armour crimsoned o'er
    With yet unexpiated gore.
    A high but perilous task! you tread
    O'er fires with treacherous ashes spread.

    Hark! As I read I seem to hear
    The clarion bray; the trumpet's breath
    with quivering thunder smites mine ear;
    Me thinks I see the war-horse quail
    Beyond yon war of flashing mail,
    And warriors, wan with sudden fear,
    Trembling at coming death;
    And chiefs careering o'er the plain
    With no ignoble battle-stain,**
    And all that's best on earth subdues
    Save Cato's iron fortitude.

    Juno and gods who loved Afric shores,
    Yielding reluctant, powerless then to save,
    Have laid as victims at Jugurtha's grave
    The offspring of his Roman conqueors.
    What soil by Daunian carnage fed
    Teems not with Latin tombs? What flood
    Rolls not unhallowed waters, red
    With fratricidal blood?
    The Medes, the Parthians in their desert home
    Exulting hear the crash of Rome

    translated by Sir Stephen Edward De Vere




    (ancient scroll ellipse actually determined to read: Shut up and go and change your armour! )


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